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GIANTS PISSED ABOUT TRADE REPORT
The New York Giants are pissed at the Chargers for flapping their yaps about the call that G.M. Ernie Accorsi placed to San Diego G.M. A.J. Smith regarding the possibility of trading up for the No. 1 overall pick in the draft.
The Giants, we're told, have been talking to every team in the top ten about a possible move up or down. Only the Chargers, however, have opted to blow the horn on the discussions.
And league insiders find humor in Smith's apparent belief that other teams can't through his strategy of letting everyone know that someone if finally interested in making a deal, in the hopes of driving the price up. As one league source told us, the announcement confirms that the Chargers are desperate to trade out of the pick.
Stay tuned.
| Mike Williams mediocre workout (ESPN INSIDER) Quote:
Workout keeps Williams in top-15 range
By Scouts, Inc.
For ESPN Insider
Thursday, April 8
Updated: April 8
3:50 PM ET
Much like Ohio State RB Maurice Clarett's workout earlier in the week, USC WR Mike Williams didn't hurt himself with his workout at University of South Florida on Thursday, but he didn't exactly help himself a great deal either.
From a size and overall physique standpoint, Williams is everything you look for in a premier NFL wide receiver. Williams showed up to his workout at 6-foot-4½, 228 pounds and also had a 34 5/8-inch arm reach. Compared to the other top receivers in this year's class, including Pittsburgh's Larry Fitzgerald (6-2 7/8, 225, 32 1/8), Texas' Roy Williams (6-2½, 212, 33 7/8), Washington's Reggie Williams (6-3¾, 229, 32 1/8), LSU's Michael Clayton (6-2¾, 209, 32 3/8), Wisconsin's Lee Evans (5-10 7/8, 197, 32 3/8), Ohio State's Michael Jenkins (6-4½, 218, 32 5/8) and Oklahoma State's Rashaun Woods (6-2 1/8, 202, 32) -- all possible first-round selections -- Williams is the tallest, biggest and has the longest arms.
Mike Williams didn't do enough in his workout to move ahead of Larry Fitzgerald or Roy Williams.
While Williams was in peak condition and was chiseled with a six-pack stomach Thursday, we were told that when he showed up to his workout facility in Georgia over a month ago, he weighed nearly 240 pounds. We also were told by an NFL scout who talked to Williams' nutritionist that the receiver can keep the weight off if he continues to work at it, but if he gets lazy once he makes it to the NFL, there's a chance he could eat his way right into the tight end position.
From what we were told, Williams' position drill workout was impressive in every aspect but his explosiveness. Williams dropped two passes early on, but settled into a groove and did not drop another. He displayed soft hands and an exceptional ability to control his body and adjust to the ball in the air. He is very smooth in all of his movements, particularly for a man his size. He can bend in and out of his breaks. The problem, however, is that he lacks explosive burst and sharp cutting ability. He clearly is not a burner who will out-run most NFL defensive backs, and he doesn't explode in and out of his breaks.
His much-anticipated 40 time really didn't tell us anything we didn't know. He ran on a fast, rubber track with the wind gusting between 15 and 20 miles per hour. With the wind, he ran a 4.58. Against the wind, he ran a 4.67. His 10-yard splits were 1.62 and 1.64, which are better than average for his size. He also had an impressive 37-inch vertical jump, 10-1 broad jump and 6.95 3-cone drill. However, his short shuttle of 4.36, which in his defense he did run on grass, did not help his cause.
Finally, we were told Williams was described by one of his trainers as immature, but not a bad young man. He said Williams is a hard worker and doesn't get into any trouble off the field, but he is a young, 20-year-old who still has a lot of growing up to do before he is ready to handle the mental pressures that come along with being an NFL player -- on and off the field.
From everything we gather, Williams' workout should solidify him as a top-15 pick and could be good enough to get him drafted by either the Falcons at No. 8 or the Jaguars at No. 9, but it might have scared off teams such as the Raiders and Cardinals from taking him any higher than that. Furthermore, it seems safe to assume now that both Fitzgerald and Roy Williams will get drafted ahead of Mike Williams.
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Moving up would cost Giants plenty
By Darrell Trimble
NFL Insider
Send an Email to Darrell Trimble Thursday, April 8
Updated: April 8
11:29 AM ET
Peyton Manning was the co-MVP of the NFL in 2003 and he had two of the greatest postseason performances in playoff history. Some consider him the best player in the league. That all shines favorably on his little brother, Eli, who is expected to follow in Peyton's footsteps and become the No. 1 overall pick in the draft.
Eli is thought of highly. Though he may not have the sometimes preternatural cerebral powers of his older sibling (who does?), he's more athletic, has better feet and a stronger arm.
One team that believes the Ole Miss product can become a great quarterback like his brother and father, Archie, is the New York Giants. In fact, general manager Ernie Accorsi likes him so much that he's already had conversations with the San Diego Chargers, who own the top pick in April's draft. Accorsi loves franchise quarterbacks and has a good feeling about the youngest Manning. But the cost of moving up in the draft is a steep one.
The Giants want Eli Manning, but they would have to give up a lot to get him.
The last time a team traded for the top pick in the draft was three years ago, when the Atlanta Falcons sent the Chargers sent their first- and third-round choices in 2001 (Nos. 5 and 67 overall) and their second-round choice in 2002. They also had to throw in wide receiver/punt returner Tim Dwight.
The reason that asking price was so much was because the undisputed star of the draft was Michael Vick, who had been described by some as football's version of Michael Jordan.
While Manning isn't thought of as a person who could revolutionize the position, he is considered to be the best player in the draft by a good margin. So he may not command quite as much, but past history shows that he'll fetch a pretty penny.
Over the last few years other teams have made trades to get impact players in the first round and they have had to pay a heavy price. In 1998, the Chargers had to give up a first (No. 3) and second (No. 32), a first in 1999 and two players -- wideout Eric Metcalf and linebacker Patrick Sapp -- just to move up one spot so they could draft Ryan Leaf.
In 2000, the Washington Redskins coveted left tackle Chris Samuels and slid into the No. 3 spot. It cost them two firsts (Nos. 12 and 24) and a fourth-rounder. Last year, the New York Jets traded away both of their first-rounders (Nos. 13 and 22) plus a fourth-rounder to move up to the fourth slot and nab defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson.
Chargers general manager A.J. Smith definitely wants to get as much as he can for the pick, and has said that in exchange for the right to draft Manning he wants draft picks and players in return. He understands the value of the pick and won't give it up unless he gets a satisfactory deal.
It makes sense that the Chargers would seek similar compensation, but the Giants might not be willing to make the combined commitment of draft choices and money that it would take to move up. They could instead hope to select Iowa's Robert Gallery, who is considered a stud left tackle. Gallery would fill a major need, so don't be surprised if the Giants refuse to overextend themselves in a trade with the Chargers and decide to stay put.
| RB rankings Quote:
Jackson highest ranked RB
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com
Here is how ESPN.com rates the top 10 running back prospects in the draft:
Oregon State tailback Steven Jackson rushed for 1,545 yards last season.
# Steven Jackson (Oregon State)
Vital statistics: 6-feet-1½, 241 pounds, 4.55 in the 40.
Numbers game: Rushed for 1,500 yards-plus in each of his two seasons as starter and carried 743 times for 3,625 yards and 39 touchdowns for his career. Despite bypassing senior year, still ranks 10th in rushing yards in Pac-10 history.
Upside: Terrific body, very muscular, strong through the hips and legs. Despite size, can get through small creases, runs with power and balance and usually makes the first man miss. Squares up naturally, has deceptive quickness, will use stiff-arm to break tackles. Durable runner and likes to punish defenders.
Downside: Only average burst and won't run past people, or elude tacklers, at the second level. Not as nifty in space as he is in the hole. Needs to get his pad level lower and really has to improve as a blocker.
The dish: Certainly the top tailback prospect in the '04 class, a cinch top 10 pick, and could squeeze into the top five or six. Cocky and confident, a potential workhorse who should make an immediate impact.
# Kevin Jones (Virginia Tech)
Vital statistics: 6-feet-0 1/8, 227 pounds, 4.57 in the 40.
Numbers game: Played virtually every game over three years, bypassed senior season to enter draft. True "feature" back his final two seasons, finished career with 3,475 yards and 35 touchdowns on 616 attempts. Had eight 100-yard performances in 2003.
Upside: Nice live body, very good all-around athlete, loves to compete. No one has to show him the way to the weight room. Gets to top speed quickly and has sudden cutback ability. Can explode through clear holes and, once he's in the secondary, doesn't get caught from behind. Good change of direction skills.
Downside: Simply doesn't break many tackles or create his own hole very often. Lacks vision and, when the hole isn't well-defined, hesitates too much in the backfield. Runs upright and likes to bounce plays outside a little too much. Average receiver, not asked to block very often, had eight fumbles in 2002 and that's a problem.
The dish: Likely first-rounder, probably from the middle of the stanza on down, but there are some skeptics. Hasn't run well in workouts and, while he makes lots of big plays, some scouts feel he doesn't make enough little ones.
# Chris Perry (Michigan)
Vital statistics: 6-feet, 224 pounds, 4.56 in the 40.
Numbers game: With breakout season in 2003, finished career with 3,696 yards and 39 touchdowns on 811 carries. Broke school record for career rushing attempts. Posted 14 games of 100 yards and only second player in Wolverines history to register a pair of 200-yard games in the same season.
Upside: Great character player and natural leader. Won't dazzle anyone, but a durable and workmanlike back who does a lot of the little things well. Has good leg drive, can pick his way through the trash in the hole, runs with balance. Squares up naturally. Very good receiver on the swing and flat routes and a willing blocker.
Downside: Not very flashy or elusive, lacks some natural body lean, doesn't always finish off runs. Lacks long speed and elusiveness and, despite good size, not a consistent tackle-breaker. Too often goes down on first contact and, for an inside-type runner, too often tries to take plays to the edge.
The dish: Depending on team needs, could sneak into first round, but looks more like a solid second-round choice. Durability and character will boost him a bit.
# Greg Jones (Florida State)
Vital statistics: 6-feet-1 3/8, 249 pounds, 4.62 in the 40.
Numbers game: Although he missed much of 2002 campaign with knee injury, still started 21 games for his career, finished with 480 carries for 2,535 yards and 23 scores. Had only 655 yards in 2003.
Upside: Big body, really thick through the calves and thighs, has the potential to wear down defenses by simply beating on them. Excellent competitor and showed diligence in his rehabilitation from knee surgery. Has nice feel for where the rushing lanes are opening up and possesses surprisingly nifty feet. Good, natural lean, finishes off most of his runs and clearly relishes contact.
Downside: Not nearly as explosive a runner in 2003 as he had been before knee injury. Doesn't cut as well now. Looked to pick his spots, rather than just burst to an opening, and took a lot of negative runs. Below average receiver.
The dish: Now that he's two years removed from knee surgery, should be much better, but the hinge still needs to be monitored. Teams also need to keep an eye on his weight because he has a propensity to get too big at times.
# Julius Jones (Notre Dame)
Vital statistics: 5-feet-9 3/4, 217 pounds, 4.50 in the 40.
Numbers game: One of only four players in Irish history to gain 3,000 career rushing yards. Finished with 634 carries for 3,018 yards and 26 touchdowns. Broke school record for career all-purpose yards (5,372) and combine return yards (2,104).
Upside: Good feet and natural running skills, very instinctive to the hole and can redirect in traffic. Picks his feet up to get through the trash and, once in space, accelerates quickly. Can get to full speed in a blink and has terrific hip swivel for getting upfield. Will break some tackles, but prefers getting to the corner, won't get caught in the secondary. Very viable as punt or kickoff returner.
Downside: Shorter than most teams prefer and has always had a great work ethic. While he is sure-handed as a return man, isn't a particularly good receiver or route-runner. Had some fumble problems in the past. Elusive but not a tackle-breaker.
The dish: Performance at the combine, both on- and off-field, catapulted him into a first-day choice. Seems stocky enough to overcome questions on height. Key to his success might be finding a way to keep him motivated.
# Maurice Clarett (Ohio State)
Vital statistics: 5-feet-11 3/8, 230 pounds, 4.58 in the 40.
Numbers game: Played just one season, in 2002, before being declared ineligible for NCAA violations, then challenged NFL draft rules. As true freshman in '02, gained 1,227 yards on 222 carries and scored 16 rushing touchdowns.
Upside: Thick body, big through the chest and shoulders, solid in lower body as well. In 2002, demonstrated nice vision, burst, and ability to create his own openings. Can bounce in and out of hole, redirect himself, make natural cutbacks. Good hands. Not the best blocker but willing to sacrifice his body.
Downside: Even with prototype size, body looks soft, and lack of conditioning and fact he hasn't taken a hit in so long will be concerns. Past injuries, particularly shoulder and ankle problems, could be a concern and durability is a question mark. Not very mature and will take bad advice at times. Also doesn't take directions very well.
The dish: Demonstrated in his Monday workout that he has finally gotten serious about the game. Not a standout audition but probably good enough to get him chosen on the first day. One AFC team still, surprisingly, has him as a first-round possibility.
# Mewelde Moore (Tulane)
Vital statistics: 5-feet-10 5/8, 208 pounds, 4.60 in the 40.
Numbers game: One of most prolific all-around players in NCAA history, finished 11th in Division I annals with 6,505 all-purpose yards. One of only two players in history to rush for 4,000 yards and have 2,000 yards receiving. Only player ever to rush for at least 1,250 yards and catch 60 passes in same season.
Upside: Short man, but not a small one, and his compact frame is very stout. Thicker than some people might think and, since he doesn't absorb many big hits, has been durable. An elusive player who definitely is more quick than fast, isn't reluctant to run inside, and will make defensive backs miss if he gets to the second level. Can give someone a lot of "touches," play a ton of roles, and is dangerous in space.
Downside: Has run some really pedestrian times in the offseason and that's a concern. Has nice short-area burst and good vision but long speed is dubious. Can't block at all. Fact he played baseball last three offseasons might have hindered development a bit.
The dish: One of those players whose overall productivity should supersede his ordinary 40-yard times. Probably a third-rounder.
# Michael Turner (Northern Illinois)
Vital statistics: 5-feet-10½, 237 pounds, 4.50 in the 40.
Numbers game: Finished second last two years in NCAA all-division rushing, carried 940 times for 4,941 yards and 43 touchdowns in career. Can return punts and kickoffs, and that helped push his career all-purpose total to 6,038 yards.
Upside: Prototype build for the position, squat and taut, has demonstrated he can take and also dish punishment. Excellent acceleration, a naturally square runner who will break some tackles, burst through holes and into the secondary. Always runs hard and knows how to finish off a carry. Can return kickoffs.
Downside: There are always some scouts who will be dubious about the level at which he played and the competition he faced. Ran mostly out of an I-formation, with a lot of "toss" plays, so had plenty of time to find space. In standard formations, might need to be a bit more decisive about getting to the hole. Some concerns about receiving skills.
The dish: Tough and productive runner and hard worker. Should be a first-day pick.
# Tatum Bell (Oklahoma State)
Vital statistics: 5-feet-11, 212 pounds, 4.41 in the 40.
Numbers game: Played in 41 games, very durable, finished career with 634 rushes for 3,409 yards and 34 touchdowns. Ranks sixth in Big 12 history in rushing yards and fourth in rushing touchdowns.
Upside: Arguably the fastest of the top tailback prospects, really opened eyes at combine, scouts appreciated fact he even participated in 40-yard sprint. Nice body, strong all over, well-defined musculature. Can bounce out of traffic and find running room. Nice burst and gets up to maximum speed very quickly. A surprisingly good blocker and receiver.
Downside: Needs to demonstrate more patience as a runner, too often fails to set up his blocks, and lacks some vision. For all his quickness, plays a little stiff at times, not as good in his change of direction as you would like. Some past problems with fumbles.
The dish: Even with some inconsistencies, and doubts about his innate abilities, still an intriguing guy who figures to go in the third round.
# Cedric Cobbs (Arkansas)
Vital statistics: 6-feet-0 1/8, 223 pounds, 4.68 in the 40.
Numbers game: Missed all of 2000 with shoulder injury but finished career with 2,426 yards and 22 touchdowns on 480 attempts. Added another 600-plus yards on kick returns.
Upside: Naturally talented runner with good size and innate running skills. Decisive back who sees the hole, can plant and go, and has very nice short-area power. Will break some tackles at the line. Solid worker, wants to be good, likes to compete. Adequate blocker.
Downside: Lack of speed, certainly the seeming absence of a second gear, are justifiable concerns. Not much niftiness at all. Isn't quite as strong as he initially appears and has some history with injuries.
The dish: Could slide to the fourth round because of speed concerns. But has been a very productive player and teams need to evaluate him on track record.
Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer for ESPN.com. More on RBs
# Others: Quincy Wilson (West Virginia), FB Thomas Tapeh (Minnesota), FB Mike Karney (Arizona State), Ran Carthon (Florida), Derrick Knight (Boston College), FB Troy Fleming (Tennessee), FB Lousaka Polite (Pittsburgh), Fred Russell (Iowa), David Mikell (Boise State) and Bruce Perry (Maryland).
# Rising: As usual, fullback won't be a first-day priority in this draft, but three players to watch at the position on the second day are Mike Karney (Arizona State), Troy Fleming (Tennessee) and Luke Lawton (McNeese State). Fleming really had a strong combine, and is a combo-type back like former Vols standout Shawn Bryson, and he could be effective in one-back sets. Lawton will be helped by the fact he can deep-snap and has lined up at H-back in some formations. Among the tailbacks, Adimchinobe Echemandu (California) has solid all-around skills and made an admirable comeback from his 2002 knee surgery.
# Declining: Given his talent level, Clarence Farmer (Arizona) should probably be one of the top tailback prospects in this draft, but past off-field problems and continuing attitude issues have dropped his stock considerably. The leading rusher in the Pac-10 in 2001, he suffered a knee injury the following season, then was booted off the team in 2003. He did not help himself at the combine, where teams found him surly and dismissive, and were turned off by his cockiness and lack of remorse.
# Intriguing: It's never easy, even for a signal-caller in an option-style offense, for a quarterback to make the transition to running back. But a pair of Big 12 quarterbacks, Ell Roberson (Kansas State) and Jammal Lord (Nebraska), could be considered at tailback by some teams. Neither player, for sure, is going to project to quarterback. There is some talk that Lord, who has good size (6-feet-2, 219), might be graded as a safety. The pair combined for 5,290 yards and 60 rushing touchdowns in their careers. It's far different running from a tailback set than operating in space as an option quarterback, but both these guys might get a chance to make the transition.
# Sleepers: A couple tailbacks from disparate backgrounds, Brandon Miree (Pittsburgh) and Derrick Ward (Ottawa, Kan.), are drawing late looks from scouts. Ward transferred to Ottawa from Fresno State, where he averaged 5.9 yards per carry as a freshman, and then dominated at the NAIA level. He was the offensive standout of the Blue-Gray college all-star game and, at 242 pounds, has good speed. Miree started at Pitt, after he transferred from Alabama, but suffered a broken leg in 2003 and was limited. He does not have great speed or quickness, but knows how to pick his way through a hole, and is a talented receiver and solid blocker.
# Notable: There are a ton of family ties at the running back position, starting with Jarrett Payton (Miami), the son of the late Hall of Fame member, Walter Payton. Ran Carthon (Florida) is the son of former New York Giants fullback Maurice Carthon, currently the offensive coordinator of the Dallas Cowboys. Quincy Wilson (West Virginia) is the son of former Chicago Bears linebacker Otis Wilson. … Julius Jones (Notre Dame) is the brother of Bears tailback Thomas Jones, a first-round choice of the Arizona Cardinals in the 2000 draft. … Bobby Purify (Colorado) is the nephew of former Browns wideout Webster Slaughter. His uncle and grandfather once formed the soul group James and Bobby Purify. … DaShaun Morris (Delaware State) is the nephew of NBA power forward Juwan Howard. … Greg Jones (Florida State) is a cousin of former heavyweight boxing champion Joe Frazier.… Mewelde Moore (Tulane) was a fourth-round pick of the San Diego Padres. … Because of a medical reshirt, Cedric Cobbs (Arkansas) is the only player in SEC history to score at least one touchdown in five straight season openers. … Shaud Williams (Alabama) was once drafted by the Atlanta Braves. … Thomas Tapeh(Minnesota) was born in Liberia and moved to the United State when he was nine years old.
# Position trend: Plenty of backs with size this year but, hey, what happened to all the speed guys. None of the first-round prospects even got close to squeezing under 4.5 seconds in the 40-yard dash
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