2nd Cycle-Advice Appreciated

[ColdBlooded]

Hey guys, I've been ghosting around this site for about 2 weeks and you guys give provide awsome help and information.. So here's my first post =)

My Current stats:
age:24
Height: 5'8"
Wieght: 190

I completed my first 10 week cycle earlier this year using
Test Cyp 10 weeks of250mg/week
Winny 8 weeks of 200mg/week
I went from 175 to 195 solid.

Im thinking of starting a 2nd Cycle pretty soon of
Test Prop 10 weeks of 200mg/week (dose mon and fri)
Equipose 10 weeks of 300mg/week (dose mon and fri)
Winny 8 weeks of 50mg/every other day
Pct Nolva and Milk thisle suppliments for my liver.

Im a professional dancer and I want to get lean mucle mass. And look tight for my performances. My dad was a bodybuilder way back when pictures were black and white and he was ripped like Bruce Lee, but more massive. My uncle was a bodybuilder in 80's and was striaght up Massive. Just want to keep the family tradition of being BUFF Asians lol. Any Positive and or Negative feedback is appreciated. I am a Newbie so feel free to school me.

	Nolva

[flex7n7]

Test prop is best used ED or EOD. Always keep the test higher then the rest. Just my opinion, bro.

[Benway83]

Originally Posted by ColdBlooded

My Current stats:
age:24
Height: 5'8"
Wieght: 190

Im thinking of starting a 2nd Cycle pretty soon of
Test Prop 10 weeks of 200mg/week (dose mon and fri)
Equipose 10 weeks of 300mg/week (dose mon and fri)
Winny 8 weeks of 50mg/every other day
Pct Nolva and Milk thisle suppliments for my liver.

Good stats, great goals, good start on the cycle knowledge.

I understand you're probably trying to keep dosages low, considering you are a dancer, you want to keep gains big, but controlled, no massive add-ons in short periods, correct?

Despite that, you need to change the way you are looking at this:

Test, EQ, and winny are all suppressive substances, and you will experience natural test suppression due to this cycle. All normal and expected. Your test needs to be higher to compensate for that, there's no way around this. Also, men don't start seeing a real effect from EQ until you hit around 400 mg/wk. Before that, there is a slight cosmetic benefit to be found, but it's not really that substantial. EQ starts getting real fun when you hit 600 mg/wk or more.

Also, you do not want to take your winny EOD. It's not a great plan.

Here's how I'd do this. It's basically what I suggested for another guy on a different board, and it seems to be going over pretty well:

Test prop 125 mg EOD
EQ 400 mg/wk
Winstrol 40 mg ED, split into two doses 20 mg AM/20 mg PM

These are minimal doses. I don't suggest going under, but you can certainly go up, if you choose.

And don't take milk thistle on cycle, take it when you are coming off. New research is proving that milk thistle is not so much a protectant as a recovery for the liver. Winny is relatively mild in that respect anyway.

[ColdBlooded]

Thanks Guys for the info

So being that these are are all natural test suppressors... would you recomend that I use HCG along with my Nolva as my PCT. After my last cycle I used T-Bomb which is basically Tribulus Terras (horny goat weed) with DHT inhibitors and estrogen blockers, which worked alot in keeping my gains. Then it just started to taper off. So I stopped using it.

So basically I'll be dosing everyday...which means alot of shots..Dang
whats the common size needle to use for these. before I diluted my whinny with Normal Saline to make it less thick so it would get thru a 30gauge needle, even so i still had trouble getting the whinny through, then the next size i went with was a 22gauge which was pretty good for giving me the dose, but the needle itself caused more pain and trauma than the roid did, but I only had to dose once a week with Cyprionate. So it wasn't that bad. Is there a way to limit my amounts of shots and increase dosage? Or Just Suck it up? :huh:

When you said EQ gets really fun at 600mgs/week, what typed of gains would expect to see at this dose level? sounds intriguing

Im stoked, can't wait to get my gear, and get ripped for the summer

	Nolva

	finastride

[Benway83]

Originally Posted by ColdBlooded

So being that these are are all natural test suppressors... would you recomend that I use HCG along with my Nolva as my PCT.

So basically I'll be dosing everyday...which means alot of shots..Dang
whats the common size needle to use for these.

When you said EQ gets really fun at 600mgs/week, what typed of gains would expect to see at this dose level? sounds intriguing

Since you're not using anything SERIOUSLY suppressive (i.e. halo, fina, etc.) and you're only going 10 weeks, I would say you don't need HCG, per se, but you may like to have it. Some people also shut down harder than others, it's as much personal as it is based on what you are doing.

Most commonly needle gauges, I find, are 22, 23, and 25. What brand of winny are you using (and do not dilute it with saline again!!! Bad idea)? All the oils will go through any of the pins I mentioned, my usual formula is: 22g 1.5 in for the glutes, 23g 1 in for the quads, 25g 5/8 in for everything else. Winny is the only one known for clogging pins badly. You can always drink it, you know.

EQ is really better off run at 12 weeks minimum, as even with a frontload, you take time to really see the benefits. At higher doses, your endurance shoots through the roof with the increased RBC count, and if your BF is low enough, your veins look like a road map. The only thing you gotta keep an eye on is your blood pressure. Also, it's going to make you want to eat. A lot. All the time.

	Nolva

	finastride

[ColdBlooded]

Awsome thanks again! Im most likely going to take the Winstrol orally then, well time to hit the gym! Laters

[ColdBlooded]

So this is what i got

2 vials(10mls) of QV prop 100
2 vials( 10mls) of QV EQ 200
1 vial (20mls) of Whinny 100mg

I heard that Mexican Prop hurts like hell...I start next week!
Why is it a bad idea to dilute whinny with saline?