Whitey's Guide to Homebrewing With Traditional Solvents

[ajdos]

Whitey's Recipe Guidelines for Injectables Using Traditional Solvents
Whitey's Recipe Guidelines for Injectables Using Traditional Solvents

Some Frequently Asked Questions:
--"What's a good recipe for X?"
--"How much of hormone X can I get to hold?"
--"Or how about a blend of X and Y, etc.?"


This is a basic guide for elementary homebrewing, using basic compounds and solvents, that attempts to gather information in one place for easy reference, AND to provide the basic understanding behind the process so that recipes are no longer needed.

For most recipes here, I have attempted to identify the upper range of a viable concentration for each compound. Occasionally, I have added guidelines where the concentration may hold, but be too high for comfort, but this varies from individual to individual, so use your own discretion. To my knowledge, the following will hold in a 2%BA/20%BB mix:*


Testosterone:
Propionate - 150mg/ml (200 will hold, but too painful to be useful, 100mg/ml is probably the comfort limit for most users.)**
Phenylpropionate - 150mg/ml
Enanthate - 400mg/ml (high concentrations of even long esters can cause pain in some users, and using adequate solvent ratios is key.)
Cypionate - 300mg/ml (but cyp is finicky and can crash on you without warning, even at 250-275mg/ml, depending on powder quality, so 200mg/ml is the safest concentration.)***
E/C Blend - 500mg/ml (may require a little extra care, but very doable.)***

Trenbolone:
Acetate - 150mg/ml (250 will hold, but too painful to be useful)
Enanthate - 400-500mg/ml (will hold, but see note on Test E.)

Drostanalone:
Propionate - 150mg/ml
Enanthate - 400mg/ml

Boldenone:
Propionate - will hold at 100mg/ml, and probably more (BUT watch the pain factor on short-ester boldenone - better yet, avoid altogether. Crippling pain and flu-like symptoms have been reported as low as 25-50mg/ml.)
Undeclynate - 600mg/ml (may have a bit of a bite, though - Bold U powder often has some impurities from the nature of the manufacturing process which cause some knotting of the injection site, additionally, see warning on high concentrations, generally. 400mg/ml should be relatively painless for most.)

Nandrolone:
Phenylpropionate - 150mg/ml (or less for most users.)
Decanoate - 400mg/ml (but almost surely would hold fine at 500)

Blends:
Some examples of blends that will hold in a 2%BA/20%BB mix:
(per 3ml)

800 Test E/600 Deca
600 Test E/400 Deca/500 Drostanolone E

--You could add to this list forever, but the key here is that when you combine compounds, you should use the above concentration guidelines for the individual compounds, and note that you can probably get about 20-25% more hormone to hold when using multiple compounds, than when using a single compound. This is due to the nuances in molecular size and structure of the different compounds. A non-scientific way to think about this is they are not all competing for the same space in the solution.

--Now, if you want to keep the blend relatively painless, sticking to the numbers above, or a little lower, will usually lend a pretty smooth injection, especially on the long esters. Short esters tend to cause me some pain, but some individuals tolerate them pretty well. So let your own experience be your guide here.

--Feel free to post additional successful recipes or upper concentration limits using 2/20, and I can add them to the list, guys.



Preview of Advanced Recipes Using Alternative Solvents:
Once you've mastered these concepts and techniques, it's time to go on to advanced brewing using alternative solvents. Here's a teaser:

--Super high-concentration/low-volume injections (e.g. Test600, Deca600, Prop250)
--Low-pain or pain-free: pain will be significantly reduced by alternative carriers/solvent ratios, but still will reflect an individual's tolerance for a specific compound/ester.
--Thin mixtures, injectable with a slin pin
--Using BA/BB + EO, perhaps Benzyl Salicylate or Guaiacol, depending on the compound
--Plus the ability to make oil-based oral injectables - d-bol, anadrol, and others in the works


Cheers,

-W-


Notes and General Guidelines:

*Benzyl Alcohol (BA) and Benzyl Benzoate (BB) as percentages of total volume of final product. For simplified conversion instructions, see thread entitled Whitey's Easy Conversion Method.

**For all short esters (acetate, prop, phenylprop), concentrations above 100mg/ml (with traditional solvents) begin to move closer to pain threshold in most people

***Some find the higher concentration long-ester injections to be painful. I do not, personally, but be warned. I also prefer to avoid cyp when possible - as mentioned, it can be a finicky compound and has caused quite a few homebrewers a bit of grief.
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-W-

[Thunder]

Whiteys a good bro. Good info here.

[anabolman]

hey whitney you know the exact powder displcement of each powder is the displcement !would be veryhelpful if you know what they are exactly

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by anabolman

hey whitney you know the exact powder displcement of each powder is the displcement !would be veryhelpful if you know what they are exactly

Displacement- depends on how "wet" your powder is. Most people run .75 or .85.

An easier thing to do is run .85 it makes it alittle stronger w/ alittle less oil. Just check the volume of oil you have when you punch in those 2 different displacements.