I have a question..pls don't make fun

[BBCSO831]

Hey guys, I am a bit new to the whole bodybuilding scene, only been in it for about a year, and I keep hearing Fina this and fina that,

Well if you can answer this, what is Fina, exactly? Like what does it do and stuff...

I understand if you can't answer for legal reasons, I just was wondering.

Thx

	finastride

[Enrage]

no such thing as a dumb question here.
here' a pretty good article on it.

FINAPLIX


Finaplix-H is one of the two brand names of the cattle implant which contains the anabolic steroid Trenbolone Acetate. The other brand name being Component TH. Both of these implants are used by bodybuilders and powerlifters for injecting the primary ingredient trenbolone acetate, which has a half-Life of 3 days. Because of the short half-Life, the user is required to perform injections atleast every other day. These implants are also used to a lesser degree for a transdermal application as well, although the transdermal method of administration is not as efficient or as effective as the injectable, which accounts for the lesser degree of popularity, as compared to the injectable method.Dosages with the injectable method vary from 75mg every other day, to 150mg daily. A very common side effect of Fina usage is severe muscle cramping. Especially with the higher dosages. However many users avoid this potential side effect with the use of high dosages of magnesium (1200mg daily) taken in two or three divided doses throughout the day. Another important step in the prevention of the Trenbolone induced muscle cramps is the consumption of plenty of water on a daily basis.

In the 80's and the early 90's Parabolan was another Trenbolone product on the market. However Parabolan unlike Finaplix-H, was an injectable that was intended for human use, and therefore required no conversion process. But Parabolan production has been discontinued for many years now, and real Parabolan can no longer be obtained.

Finaplix/Trenbolone is highly androgenic, and is known for producing good strength gains for the majority who use it, as well as moderate weight gain. Trenbolone is also well known for shuting down natural Testosterone production in the body very hard, and it's for this reason that many Trenbolone users will stack it with the use of some type of injectable Testosterone in order to avoid temporary impotence during the Trenbolone cycle due to lack of natural Test. A nice bonus with Trenbolone, is that it will not aromatize(convert to Estrogen) once in the blood stream as some other anabolic steroids will. Therefore Gynacomastia(breast growth)is a rare occurence among Trenbolone users. It is important to note that the rare cases of Gynacomastia associated with the use of Trenbolone, are widely believed to be Progesterone related since Trenbolone can be converted by the body to progesterone.


The Power of Trenbolone by Huckleberry FINNaplex
Hey fella's. I dug up a nice little scientific study on some of the activities of trenbolone.

Brief summary: Anabolic to androgenic ratio of 2/3 (meaning it is doubly as anabolic as test and 3 times as androgenic) It also shuts down the endocrine system much harder (likely due to that 3 time androgenic capacity). Just thought I'd share this little scientific factoid with my brotha's who love trenbolone.

Pharmacological and endocrinological studies on anabolic agents.
Neumann F.

When used in connection with animal production the term "anabolic agents" covers a wide range. Ther steroidal male and female sex hormones are included in this list, as are the nonsteroidal estrogens. For the clinician and for the endocrinologist, anabolics are only steroids chemically related to testosterone and 19-nortestosterone. Estrogens, though possessing anabolic properties, too, do not belong to this class. This paper will deal with anabolic agents in in the stricter sense of which mainly trenbolone acetate combined with hexestrol has been recommended for bull and heifer fattening. To consider possible consumer injury from ingestion of meat from anabolic agent treated animals, it is necessary to know the pharmacological properties of the agents, the doses producing certain effects or might produce, and the levels of residues in the meat. Trenbolone acetate will be compared with the following anabolic agents: methenolone acetate, methandrostenolone, nandrone, androstanazole, and 19-nortestosterone.

The activity spectrum of trenbolone acetate is similar to that of 19-nortestosterone or those anabolics that are derived from 19-nortestosterone. The compound has about three times stronger androgenic effect than testosterone propionate. Its index of dissociation between anabolic/androgenic activity is 2--3. This index is 3--10 for the other anabolic agents. As regards the virilizing potency, trenbolone acetate is also on the top of the list. It seems that androgenicity and degree of virilization run paralle. The antigonadotropic activity (inhibition of ovulation and testicular growth) of trenbolone acetate exceeds that of testosterone propionate by the factor 3. The compound is not estrogenic and seemingly not or only weakly progestationally active. In principle, the androgenic activity (symptoms of virilization) as well as the antigonadotropic effect (disturbances of the menstrual cycle in women, inhibition of spermiogenesis in men) of trenbolone acetate might be noted. This risk, however, can be excluded by mere calculation.

In rats, 0.1 mg/kg trenbolone acetate have an antigonadotropic effect. This corresponds to a daily dose of 5--7 mg in humans. By the same extrapolation, a daily human dose of 100 mg can be calculated for androgenic activity. Such factors of conversion are, of course, not precise because rats are much less sensitive to androgens and anabolics than humans. Thus, testosterone propionate is active only in daily doses of 10--20 mg. If in humans trenbolone acetate also has three times the activity of testosterone propionate, effects in man had to be counted with not less than a daily intake of 3--5 mg trenbolone acetate. The dose which is recommended for livestock fattening is 300 mg. IT can, therefore, be excluded almost with certainty that the meat would contain such large amounts of hormone residues.

Q: Huck, thanks for the good post. Given the information, what would be your further remarks regarding trenbolone as a bodybuilding AS?

A: It's the strongest androgen receptor binder on the planet. It has ferocious anti-glucclocorticoid actions and I have a theory that it is a potent activator of endogenous Prostaglandins (particularly F2a) which gives it some terrific lipid burning potential.

	finastride

[JOEYZ]

Welcome to the board bro............We all had to start somewhere with all of this, so dont feel dumb for asking. Enrage listed most of the info that you would want to know. Like he listed above, the actual hormone comes mixed with glues and binders which have to be seperated out away from the hormone before you inject it. There are several sites that detail how to mix, seperate, heat and filter the solution. Here is a link that shows the process: http://www.basskilleronline.com/fina...ctions_01.html

[Celab]

Welcome bro,

Celab

[USNET321]

All you need to know about fina by: The almighty

As you can tell by reading the boards every day,
Fina is obviously one of the most popular
"supplements" in the bodybuilding community today,
and for all the right reasons.

I am writing this post due to the obscene amount
of private messages I have recieved recently and
the even larger number of posts on the subject of
Fina. I am sure many of you have read Huck's
AWESOME thread entitled "The Power Of Trenbolone."
That thread was very scientific to say the least,
so I am taking it upon myself to write out a
condensed version of that thread in lamens terms.
I will attempt to cover every aspect that has been
talked about recently...if I miss something than
people like Huck, Fonz, Zyg, and (even though I
despise him greatly) TxShortPenis to chime in,
along with anyone else who has questions or other
various points. Here goes....


Fina is considered by many, including myself
obviously, to be
The Gear of the Gods. Those who have not had the
pleasure of experiencing the joy that is fina seem
to be in the minority these days. Fina is cheap,
safe, and extremely effective.

What is it?

Fina (whos scientific name is Trenbolone ) is a
derivative of the chemical nandrolone. Tren does
not convert to estrogen, so supplementing with
anastrozole, lestrozole, or any of those popular
compounds will do no good combatting the gyno that
may be caused by using Tren, but we will get to
that later.

To quote Huck, " [Tren] is the strongest androgen
receptor binder on the planet. " This in itself is
amazing considering it is a derivative of a
compound that is far less androgenic. If you read
Huck's post (now in the Best of Elite Fitness
forum) you will see a scientific study that shows
how Tren is three times as anabolic as
testosterone, while being doubly as anabolic.

Tren is commonly used in cattle. Farmers inject
Tren into their cows in the months leading up to
their slaughter to rapidly increase lean weight
gain, which makes for some yummy steaks.

Where can I get it?

Capitalizing on the fina frenzy, sources began
producing their own home-made trenbolone and put
them on the market. Ttokkyo was the first actual
company to produce trenbolone for human use.
Needless to say, the prices were and still can be
outrageous.

What are we to do then? Well make your own you
lazy bastard! Fina pellets can be purchased
legally from any vet store. Look for either their
Finaplix-H or Component T-H, which IS fina, just
more of it. These are usually priced at around $50
and $75, respectively.

Unless you have the brain capacity of llama
(Mustang_18 ) you will immediately realize that
using an implant gun to shoot these fina pellets
into your body is a painful and unneccesary
experience. There are in fact a few safer and less
excrutiating method to experience the power that
is fina:

Orally: It seems that some have attempted to place
the fina pellets under their toungue until
dissolved. Aside from being about as tasty as
TxShortpenis' loose anus, this method will yield
minimal results, if any at all.

DMSO Method: Basically, this consists of crushing
up the pellets and adding them to a topical
delivery system. You then rub the composite onto
your body in various places (behind the knees, for
example). This will yield better results than the
previous method, however the results may not be
spectacular, and you will smell like trenbolone
24/7, which will not make you that popular with
the ladies.

Injections: In my opinion, and the opinion of many
others, this is the ONLY way to use fina. I know
you are probably asking, "Hey Almighty you
ignorant piece of shit! How the **** would you go
about injecting something in pellet form?" Listen
here, shitheads, you can purchase a kit to make
the transformation from pellet form to liquid
form.

The main concern when this method is brought up
is,
"Hey, Almighty. Im no chemist you insensitive
prick. What am I to do?" First of all, you got a
real bad attitude son. Second, I am the farthest
thing from a chemist. Making fina is easier than
baking a cake, and no I am not joking. All kits
come with step-by-step instructions on how to
convert your fina. The entire process can take
anywhere between 2 hours to 12 hours. The majority
of this time is waiting for the pellets to
dissolve in the oil that is supplied via the kit
that you purchase. If you want to look at a great
site that has pictures of this process, simply go
to http://www.elitefitness.com/members/finaplix/
The kits give out a 75mg/ml concentration of the
golden goodness. Of course, you can alter this by
changing the amount of solution you use, but 75mg
is typically the standard dose.

One more small thing...for best results, due to
its short half-life, fina must be injected at
least every other day (EOD). For OPTIMAL results,
every day (ED) injections are encouraged. This is
what intimidates many of those who are interested
in using fina. Take it from me and the countless
numbers of those who have used fina...the ED/EOD
injections are not a problem at all. You get used
to them in a short amount of time, and do not want
to stop doing them once you see the phenominal
results. I know that your asses are probably
getting sore thinking about all of those
injections, but fear not. Fina is great for site
injections. I inject into my bis, tris, delts, and
pecs with no fuss, no muss.

How should I use Fina?

As I stated above, the standard dose of fina is
usually 75mg. While in 95% of people this dose
results in little sides and great results, many
people opt for 37.5mg (1/2 ml) every day.

Fina kicks in very rapidly (many notice results
within the first week) so the standard 10 week
cycle is not necessary. Fina is a great addition
to a 10-12 week cycle consisting of test, eq,
primo, etc. I advise adding fina at the end of the
cycle, the last 5-6 weeks perhaps. Be sure to
extend the fina past the rest of the cycle if you
are using compounds that take longer to clear your
system (e.g. sustanon/omnadren, eq, deca). This
way, you can start your post-cycle therapy
directly following your last dose of fina.

If all else fails, a 6 week fina cycle never lets
anyone down. Combine fina with other fast acting
compounds such as test prop or winny and you have
yourself one helluva cycle with a minimum cost.
Using myself as an example, in 6 weeks of using
fina @ 75mg/ed and winny @ 50mg/ed I gained 22
pounds and lost 2% bodyfat. Not bad for 6 weeks,
huh?

Should I use Fina to Bulk or Cut?

Due to the fact that God himself was on fina when
he created the world in 7 days, fina is great for
either. Fina is extremely anti-catabolic which
makes it the drug of choice for cutting. People
report an actual increase in weight while their
bodyfat drops. Fina is renound for its ability to
transform your physique.

For bulking, well just add some test, dbol, or any
of your other favorite bulking supplements and
watch the weight and strength pile on while
experiencing little or no increase in bodyfat.

Is Fina Dangerous?

In my opinion, the horror stories you hear about
fina are extremely overdone. Fonz ran fina for
more than 20 weeks....20 ****ing weeks and
reported no problems whatsoever. All you have to
do is to do your homework, take the necessary
precautions for the liver and kidneys (ALA and 2
gallons of water every day, respectively) and
chances are you will be good to go, as long as the
dose is reasonable.

By the way, the sides of fina are pretty much the
same as all other steroids, such as acne, hair
loss, etc. Fina does seem to cause an increase in
aggression in some people. Of course, as long as
you have at least a minimal amount of will power,
this aggression can be contained and expelled only
in the gym during a greuling workout.

Now, what about gyno? Ask anyone around and you
will see that, although it can happen, gyno from
fina is quite rare. Arimidex, etc will not prevent
gyno from fina, so if you are truely paranoid,
simply supplement with 50mg of winny EOD.

If you are like me, you may get a slight case of
gyno after the cycle has ended. Many seem to think
that this may be prolactin induced. This gyno can,
99% of the time, be easily cured by supplementing
with 1 gram of vitex (chaste berry) every day
until the symptoms dissapear. In my case, it took
only a few weeks.

Is fina adequate for someone doing their first
cycle? Yes and no. I feel that if you have done
your homework, fina will work quite well with a
lack of sides as long as you are smart and keep an
eye on what you are doing. Keep in mind, however,
that fina is very strong and, like all other
steroids, may not be for everyone. I know that the
frequency of injections can deter many from using
fina in their first cycle. If you can go along
with it, however, I assure you that the results
will be like nothing you have ever experienced
before.


Thats pretty much it gentlemen. It took me only
about an hour to write this, so I may have left
some things out. As I said above, feel free to add
or subract anything you see fit. Happy Growing.
__________________

	Dex

	Letro

	finastride

	Supps

[BBCSO831]

WOW..lot's of info lol..

thanks guys for your help I will now be more knowledgeable lol

[Budlite74]

very good posts guys ... copy them into thier own threads please...
Welcome bro ... we are all here for learning

[BBCSO831]

Th again guys.....you guys are awesome I appreciate the info.....I don't juice, I am trying to get all I can naturally first, but I do appreciate your guys responses..!!