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**ajdos**

Does anyone on the forums talk nutz and bolts about training anymore- I mean when Im out and about I see questions on DC and things but it is less and less anyones first hand experiences on some sort of training experience and some results they got or didnt get from there last regimen.
It seems the forums are just plagues with "check my cycle" posts more and more and nothing about systems to encourage the "growth" stimulus anymore.
Now its all about chemically bombarding the body and tricking it into some new kinda arm chair growth.
Maybe Im just old and grumpy and tired of seeing those "cycle" posts from idiots with less than a year of training under their belts...but its disturbing to me that there seems to be no original though anymore, no experimentation, just the same tired ass mantras of training that have been around for years.
I myself have been guilty at times of having little to say but from time to time I like to point things out that dont seem to be discussed.
Its no wonder the physiques on the boards seem to be less and less- overtraining, overdosing, and under eating seem to be the followed path of failure.
Yet the questions always center around gear, and if the gear isnt working then peptides and insulin are next in the cabinet.
I will share one of my latest personal discoveries with training.
I have been dieting for about 13 weeks now. I have had a multitude of injuries this off season which carried into my diet.
I had taken full weeks off at a time more than any time in my training history and yet the inflammation of my left elbow and shoulders seemed only to worsen. Now compounded by diet and cardio it seemed to me that my body was falling apart and I looked introspectively into the face of old father time thinking that my days may have passed and hard, intense, heavy workouts would be a thing of the past.
Quite by accident, I found that I was wrong.
Something I have written about many times was occurring but I didnt realize that it had manifested itself to such a degree. What I thought was being rested enough, wasnt even close. So, after a full week off , I ended up with a fucked up work schedule and my off time was just as hectic. So I ended up only training three whole times in a seven day period...I felt like I was shrinking, felt like it was me being a pussy. The next week I only was able to go to the gym 4 times. Now during this time I was dieting hard and doing cardio anywhere from 6-10 times a week. But it dawned on me that my elbow was healing and I was feeling better when I trained.
So, I decided that I would only train when I "felt" like I had fully recuperated from the previous lift- sometimes this was the next day, sometimes one or 2 days before I went back- but completely by feel.
With some of my lifts I noticed small changes but starting three weeks ago I was up to 315 on incline bench and 585 on deadlift (average for me) . By the end of the three week period I went up to 335 and then to 365 on incline bench, while dieting...and deads went from 585 to 615 to 635 thats a 50 lb increase on both lifts with a calorically restricted diet.
What I can say about this is that mentally I almost feel as if I am undertraining. But the thing I realized that seems to never be spoken of is that while dieting, the body recovers slower and growth occurs at a slower rate if at all sometimes...so why do we continue to train with the same frequency? No one seems to talk about it- the training intensity and volume I am using is more per workout but the frequency at which I impose the stress is less frequent allowing for growth to actually take place, even in a calorically limited environment.
Makes me think that I was doing the same last year in an over eagerness to improve certain lagging bodyparts and come in to this years shows at 265-270.
Guess it only shows that even a seasoned vet in the game can still learn something...always learn something.
I would bet that many people on the forums suffer from this malady, I would suggest that everyone take a close look at your training schedule and honestly assess are you recovering or are you wearing yourself thin?

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ajdos NaziLawnJanitor/ORS Staff Join Date: May 2006 Location: River Styx Age: 33 Posts: 739 Rep Power: 3	Whats the deal? Does anyone on the forums talk nutz and bolts about training anymore- I mean when Im out and about I see questions on DC and things but it is less and less anyones first hand experiences on some sort of training experience and some results they got or didnt get from there last regimen. It seems the forums are just plagues with "check my cycle" posts more and more and nothing about systems to encourage the "growth" stimulus anymore. Now its all about chemically bombarding the body and tricking it into some new kinda arm chair growth. Maybe Im just old and grumpy and tired of seeing those "cycle" posts from idiots with less than a year of training under their belts...but its disturbing to me that there seems to be no original though anymore, no experimentation, just the same tired ass mantras of training that have been around for years. I myself have been guilty at times of having little to say but from time to time I like to point things out that dont seem to be discussed. Its no wonder the physiques on the boards seem to be less and less- overtraining, overdosing, and under eating seem to be the followed path of failure. Yet the questions always center around gear, and if the gear isnt working then peptides and insulin are next in the cabinet. I will share one of my latest personal discoveries with training. I have been dieting for about 13 weeks now. I have had a multitude of injuries this off season which carried into my diet. I had taken full weeks off at a time more than any time in my training history and yet the inflammation of my left elbow and shoulders seemed only to worsen. Now compounded by diet and cardio it seemed to me that my body was falling apart and I looked introspectively into the face of old father time thinking that my days may have passed and hard, intense, heavy workouts would be a thing of the past. Quite by accident, I found that I was wrong. Something I have written about many times was occurring but I didnt realize that it had manifested itself to such a degree. What I thought was being rested enough, wasnt even close. So, after a full week off , I ended up with a fucked up work schedule and my off time was just as hectic. So I ended up only training three whole times in a seven day period...I felt like I was shrinking, felt like it was me being a pussy. The next week I only was able to go to the gym 4 times. Now during this time I was dieting hard and doing cardio anywhere from 6-10 times a week. But it dawned on me that my elbow was healing and I was feeling better when I trained. So, I decided that I would only train when I "felt" like I had fully recuperated from the previous lift- sometimes this was the next day, sometimes one or 2 days before I went back- but completely by feel. With some of my lifts I noticed small changes but starting three weeks ago I was up to 315 on incline bench and 585 on deadlift (average for me) . By the end of the three week period I went up to 335 and then to 365 on incline bench, while dieting...and deads went from 585 to 615 to 635 thats a 50 lb increase on both lifts with a calorically restricted diet. What I can say about this is that mentally I almost feel as if I am undertraining. But the thing I realized that seems to never be spoken of is that while dieting, the body recovers slower and growth occurs at a slower rate if at all sometimes...so why do we continue to train with the same frequency? No one seems to talk about it- the training intensity and volume I am using is more per workout but the frequency at which I impose the stress is less frequent allowing for growth to actually take place, even in a calorically limited environment. Makes me think that I was doing the same last year in an over eagerness to improve certain lagging bodyparts and come in to this years shows at 265-270. Guess it only shows that even a seasoned vet in the game can still learn something...always learn something. I would bet that many people on the forums suffer from this malady, I would suggest that everyone take a close look at your training schedule and honestly assess are you recovering or are you wearing yourself thin?